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chaps 3 hours ago [-]
This is exactly the sort of thing that leads to people getting reincarcerated after their electronic monitoring devices mistakenly report them leaving their homes.
Sounds like you could be a convict, have your gang interfere GPS on a local level but enough to have other people in the neighborhood notice, make a quick run for whatever you'd need to, and still claim plausible deniability.
john01dav 1 hours ago [-]
Or you could cause such localized things more so to try to get a person sent back to prison or otherwise penalized intentionally
cromka 52 minutes ago [-]
Also true.
MarkusQ 14 minutes ago [-]
TFA article claims: "Indeed, the solar storm of May 2024 is estimated to have cost the US agricultural industry $500 million due to disruptions in precision navigation."
This seems hard to believe. The link provided hand waves through how it maybe could happen, and ends with an Economist just SWAGing that it could have been maybe a dollar an acre or so.
"He estimates that affected farms lost about $1 per acre. Nationally, this equates to an estimated half-billion dollars in lost earning potential, Griffin says."
So yeah, hard to believe was the right call. Very few farms were affected, but if we assume half of the total 900 million acres of farm land were, add 10% to get a round number, and guess it at a dollar per acre, we get the quoted big number.
sen 22 seconds ago [-]
That’s how all “estimated damages” work. It’s all just made up by some random person who guesstimated a number then multiplied it by the maximum possible people effected, realistic or not.
1e1a 3 hours ago [-]
Wouldn't RTK help mitigate this, as the base stations would also be affected by the atmospheric disturbance?
ashleyn 2 hours ago [-]
Somehow, Selective Availability returned.
delta_p_delta_x 3 hours ago [-]
*10 metres
NooneAtAll3 3 hours ago [-]
were other satellite positioning systems affected as well? was it checked that it wasn't just a misconfig on US command side?
mcpherrinm 3 hours ago [-]
The linked actual research article did look at multiple GNSS systems. GPS is presumably being reported out of familiarity https://doi.org/10.1029/2026GL124645
aaron695 2 hours ago [-]
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Insimwytim 3 hours ago [-]
TL;DR:
1. Not today. November 2025. They don't make it clear.
1.1. One would expect that to be put in the title, when the article is written almost a year after that.
1.2. No, the article doesn't state that in the first paragraph. Posting in it full seem to be the only way to fend off lazy comments:
In November 2025, Earth was buffeted by several massive eruptions of solar material that slammed into the magnetosphere.
That's it - the whole paragraph. Several paragraphs later - GPS first mentioned. No clear links between dates stated.
2. It is unclear what is the source of the claim.
UPD: Commenter below found the source, but TFA doesn't make a good job of presenting that as a source of the 33 feet glitch claim, but rather posts another citation from it.
They should've just quote this and be done with it:
During the storm main phase, an east–west elongated band of intense auroral brightness expanded equatorward, producing a horizontally extended strip of strong density gradients that favored the development of small-scale irregularities. These small-scale irregularities triggered pronounced amplitude scintillations (S4 > 0.5) and caused significant positioning errors exceeding 10 m—large enough to disrupt GNSS-dependent applications across CONUS for hours, particularly precision agriculture and autonomous transportation industries. [1]
3. Navigation issues happened before, they state it right there. They were more disruptive as well.
4. The author has articles all over the topics. Everything is sensationalized.
5. Every presented link seem to have this awful Cloudflare js challenge.
Bad article overall.
P.S. Response to the false claim below - no, there's nothing about GPS in "the first 3 words of the article".
>P.S. A separate comment would be too much to respond to the false claim below - no, there's nothing about GPS in "the first 3 words of the article".
He's talking about your first (incorrect) claim. The article begins "In November 2025"
nomel 2 hours ago [-]
> 2. It is unclear what is the source of the claim.
7th paragraph of the article states the source, and contains a link to research paper where they go into great detail.
Elidrake24 3 hours ago [-]
> Not today. November 2025. They don't make it clear.
My brother in christ it's the first 3 words of the article.
ck2 4 hours ago [-]
not just space weather, I am pretty sure the atmosphere is being disturbed by toxic human activity both by accident and on purpose
I've run outside every morning for decades and used Garmin with GPS since 2015, I've never had so much trouble
Garmins finally supports dual-band (L1+L5) and BeiDou on newest models but it's still not enough to compensate, I have to use a Stryd footpod to guarantee accurate distances/speed
btw BeiDou GPS blows away US GPS for number of sats and precision but despite Russia's GPS being legal in US, technically BeiDou is not
> BeiDou GPS blows away US GPS for number of sats and precision
Both BeiDou and GPS are supposed to be limited to 10m precision for civilians.
But, going down a rabbit hole, I found that BeiDou is way more accurate than 10m--3.6m and 2.6m outside and inside the Asia-Pacific region, respectively [1]. And that's with the most simple algorithm. It goes down to ~2.5m using dual-frequencies to account for atmospheric error.
Oh interesting, I think I conflated two things; Selective Availability and the military-only bands on GPS. While it's true that access to the military band could improve accuracy with dual-band receivers, consumer devices can use dual-band as well (as your link shows), since there are multiple unencrypted bands from navigation satellites nowadays.
I am not sure how to interpret your link, though. It doesn't measure accuracy on it's own, and doesn't include a number for precision between the two units.
hylaride 2 hours ago [-]
My understanding is that the encrypted military-level GPS is much more robust against jamming and spoofing. There's probably a lot of capabilities we don't know that's classified, too.
pkaye 39 minutes ago [-]
I think the new US GPS satellites have ability to do a spot beam of increased strength in a region of interest.
That is my understanding as well. But having another band allows for error correction as a side benefit.
z2 3 hours ago [-]
For resiliency reasons alone, it's been proposed to allow (stop software-disabling) BeiDou in the US, but the last time this was brought up, the administration ran out of time. It's a shame, because when there is precise coverage, it enables things like lane-level city navigation.
but of course this administration is never going allow China-anything like low cost electric cars even if it means saving people a fortune in gas
so hopefully in 2029 it can be looked at again
or maybe Dems will also get the Senate too and can be petitioned if they run out of corruption investigations before 2029
it is critical to explain to everyone who isn't technical that GPS is "read only" and no data is being sent to China via BeiDou (just like it's not sent to Russia's Glonass) because that apparently is some kind of weird misunderstanding
on that same note if they somehow made Starlink into a lower resolution GPS backup I'd even trust that too despite personally being anti-Musk everything
bigfudge 23 minutes ago [-]
Read only or not, relying on Chinese or Russian gps data for increased accuracy even in civilian increases dependency no?
That seems like a bad idea to me. I’ve thought for about 20 years that increasing our dependence on anti democratic regimes was a risk, no matter what the benefits for global development etc. It’s not isolationist to want to only rely on your friends and not enemies.
(Which is why Europe needs to disentangle itself from the US as fast as possible).
arijun 2 hours ago [-]
It seems that all the device manufacturers (they mention Apple, Samsung, and Google) are using BeiDou anyway. I don't know if that includes Garmin watches, though.
Some reporting I did on the topic a few years back: https://chicagoreader.com/news/many-on-house-arrest-in-cook-...
This seems hard to believe. The link provided hand waves through how it maybe could happen, and ends with an Economist just SWAGing that it could have been maybe a dollar an acre or so.
"He estimates that affected farms lost about $1 per acre. Nationally, this equates to an estimated half-billion dollars in lost earning potential, Griffin says."
So yeah, hard to believe was the right call. Very few farms were affected, but if we assume half of the total 900 million acres of farm land were, add 10% to get a round number, and guess it at a dollar per acre, we get the quoted big number.
1. Not today. November 2025. They don't make it clear.
1.1. One would expect that to be put in the title, when the article is written almost a year after that.
1.2. No, the article doesn't state that in the first paragraph. Posting in it full seem to be the only way to fend off lazy comments:
That's it - the whole paragraph. Several paragraphs later - GPS first mentioned. No clear links between dates stated.2. It is unclear what is the source of the claim.
UPD: Commenter below found the source, but TFA doesn't make a good job of presenting that as a source of the 33 feet glitch claim, but rather posts another citation from it.
They should've just quote this and be done with it:
3. Navigation issues happened before, they state it right there. They were more disruptive as well.4. The author has articles all over the topics. Everything is sensationalized.
5. Every presented link seem to have this awful Cloudflare js challenge.
Bad article overall.
P.S. Response to the false claim below - no, there's nothing about GPS in "the first 3 words of the article".
[1] https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2026GL12...
He's talking about your first (incorrect) claim. The article begins "In November 2025"
7th paragraph of the article states the source, and contains a link to research paper where they go into great detail.
My brother in christ it's the first 3 words of the article.
I've run outside every morning for decades and used Garmin with GPS since 2015, I've never had so much trouble
Garmins finally supports dual-band (L1+L5) and BeiDou on newest models but it's still not enough to compensate, I have to use a Stryd footpod to guarantee accurate distances/speed
btw BeiDou GPS blows away US GPS for number of sats and precision but despite Russia's GPS being legal in US, technically BeiDou is not
* https://warontherocks.com/a-signal-point-of-failure-integrat...
* https://payloadspace.com/gps-faces-growing-competition-from-...
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeiDou#GPS_vs._BeiDou_Capabili...
Both BeiDou and GPS are supposed to be limited to 10m precision for civilians.
But, going down a rabbit hole, I found that BeiDou is way more accurate than 10m--3.6m and 2.6m outside and inside the Asia-Pacific region, respectively [1]. And that's with the most simple algorithm. It goes down to ~2.5m using dual-frequencies to account for atmospheric error.
[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-12012-y
Maybe in 1998, but Selective Availability was turned off in 2000, and here in the modern era: https://rtklibexplorer.wordpress.com/2024/04/28/dual-frequen...
I am not sure how to interpret your link, though. It doesn't measure accuracy on it's own, and doesn't include a number for precision between the two units.
Has a fascinating history.
https://odimpact.org/case-united-states-opening-gps-data-for...
https://warontherocks.com/a-signal-point-of-failure-integrat...
but of course this administration is never going allow China-anything like low cost electric cars even if it means saving people a fortune in gas
so hopefully in 2029 it can be looked at again
or maybe Dems will also get the Senate too and can be petitioned if they run out of corruption investigations before 2029
it is critical to explain to everyone who isn't technical that GPS is "read only" and no data is being sent to China via BeiDou (just like it's not sent to Russia's Glonass) because that apparently is some kind of weird misunderstanding
on that same note if they somehow made Starlink into a lower resolution GPS backup I'd even trust that too despite personally being anti-Musk everything
https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-agency-probes-risks-fo...